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Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for war crimes in the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia at The Hague. This marks the first time a head of state has been personally prosecuted before an international criminal court.
Is Slobodan Milosevic getting a fair trial?
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- Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 9:33 am
Important evidence for Carla del Ponte:BELGRADE -- Monday - Serbia's prime minister has called on the international community to react to a photo published in a Belgrade newspaper today showing a group of people dressed in uniforms of the outlawed Kosovo Liberation Army holding a number of severed heads.
Zoran Zivkovic used the continuation of a no confidence debate in his government today to appeal to the United Nations mission in Kosovo, the multinational peacekeeping force and the international community as a whole to identify the people in the photo in Vecernje Novosti, arrest and convict them.
"We kept being told in The Hague [war crimes tribunal] that there's no evidence of war crimes committed in Kosovo by the Albanian side", said Zivkovic. "Now we have a document and it takes just a little effort to identify the people in the photo and convict them".
Evidence del Ponte will continues to ignore as she has done during the past four and half years. Reading back through the records of her promises to act on the crimes of the KLA we have been given a number of different excuses such as there are no crimes, there are no witnesses and the Serbs will not release the evidence. But the current oft repeated favourite is “There is no evidence”. As the visible evidence piles up before us this excuse is wearing very thin.
While del Ponte indicts Serbs without evidence she refuses to act on evidence of KLA war crimes with the inexcusably false excuse that she has ‘no evidence’. Some 2,000 murders of Kosovo’s minority population: including some 1,300 of those abducted still missing: some 250,000 ethnically cleansed persons: some 120 religious sites damaged or destroyed: her own prosecution witness statements of B6 naming murderers among the KLA leadership in the trial records: and now this photographic clear and identifiable evidence of horrendous war crimes.
History will not forgive del Ponte and this so-called court of justice for her prevarication and its dereliction of duties.
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 11:23 am
More Imperialism
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 2:20 pm
I enjoyed today's session, it was more a class room on political science and history than a trial really. Old ac-quittances chatting about what went wrong, what they did and how they misunderstood each other. Pupil judge May (NATO) wanted to hear more and granted more time to Mr. Milosevic, "15 minutes more minutes as grace " and "5 more minutes". Of course Lord Owen couldn't stop showing his imperial grace patronizing Mr. Milosevic at every occasion he could see, saying things that only a member of the old imperial school could say, even trying to be honest, honest at the expense of the Americans whom could never understand and suggesting the Yanks agenda was perhaps no so much the problem, since he always wanted to include the Yanks in the negotiations but the Clinton boys and girls were not up to the task. Ah, dear Owen were is the empire going!
It is hard to see how his testimony can help the prosecution in proving genocide of course it may not deter some of the donkeys wearing those dark robes Sesejl finds so unpleasant, so reminiscent of the Inquisition, in concluding that if no evidence is found it will be the irrefutable proof the evidence is hidden and convict our hero nevertheless. In all truth, since the collapse of the Roman Empire things are adrift, even in Anglia.
Also, something I did not catch when Lord Owen (IMPERIAL NATO) at the very end said he did not know where he could make a statement or not but " . . ." did he say "fuck you judge!" or was it my imagination?
You know, it is hard to follow a trial with pillows, sheets and blankets.
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 5:53 pm
I still don't know if this is preaching into the desert but I will insist until someone in the international community wakes up and does something about it . ISN'T IT FUCKING CLEAR ENOUGH THAT IN A SHORT RUN KOSOVO WILL BE "CLEAN" OF SERBS ? . ISN'T IT FUCKING CLEAR ENOUGH THAT ALBANIANS IN SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO ENJOY THE SAME RIGHTS AS ANY OTHER CITIZEN ? . NOW , CAN ANYBODY FOR CHRIST FUCKING SAKE EXPLAIN WHY SERBS ARE ON TRIAL ? , IF IT IS CRISTAL CLEAR WHO THE REAL "CLEANSERS" ARE , OR NATO IS SHITLESS SCARED OF THE FINAL OUTCOME FOR THE MESS THEY HAVE CREATED WHICH I PREDICT IT WON'T BE A WALK IN THE PARK , AND THEY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND THIS MEANS FROM ALL SIDES , IT IS TIME TO STOP FUCKING AROUND WITH UNDER AVERAGE JURISTS LIKE DEL PONTE , MAY , NICE AND ALL FREELOADERS IN THE HAGUE . AND ADMINISTER REAL JUSTICE .
M P
Rep de Panama
VIVA PANAMA ¡¡ POR SIEMPRE¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 6:09 pm
MP Of Panama, Please behave your self. Please use civil language since nobody likes this kind of language. I understand and agree with your frustration but please release your anger somewhere else - not here.
Dakic Ana
Serbia - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 6:21 pm
MY MOST SINCERE APOLOGIES TO EVERYBODY , GOOD LUCK TO ALL AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK , FROM TODAY ON I CARELESS FOR ALL INJUSTICE GOING ON AND WILL TAKE CARE OF MY OWN BUSSINES
M P
Rep de Panama - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 6:50 pm
Ana: the poster "1 2 Canada" has been far more of a burden on the forum than some unclean language from MP. Also, the political squabble between in the Wilcoxson-Israel and Black-Clark crew and their various supporters and stooges has taken up a lot more space and deterred forum participants, than anything MP might have said.Otherwise, I find the Bosnia portion of the case far more distressing than the Kosovo part. The NATO bombing of Serbia over Kosovo, and the claims of the indictment, are manifestly totally illegal and untrue. I just hope that the Serbs do not go down in history as a "genocidal people" or a Taetervolk as Hohmann called it, for something that allegedly happened in Bosnia.
The legal implications are frightening as well - dissolution of Republika Srpska, Muslim assertion of dominance over the Christian majority of Bosnia, demands for reparations, and Serbia's casting into the Nazi-Fascist mold as a "genocidal" country and nation.
Btw, Vera, thank you for coming back to the forum. You have been sorely missed - your reporting and analysis, with its touches of wit, are nothing short of superb.
P M
USA - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 7:30 pm
Personaly I dont care for language that you have used here mr MP of Panama, we are only humans and in the moments of frustrartion we can even swear some times. By writting such a message does not nesesserily mean that you have been intentionaly rude and nasty to the participants in a discussion here. To me it does show that you care very much about the "terrible things" (read : shit :-)that are happening and that you posess a hot tempered southern soul, and there is nothing wrong with it. At least you expressed your self, in a way that you felt you should. On my behalf and I can assure this is on behalf of other Serbs as well I would like to thank you very much for your support, to you and to all others here. Hope you continue to care, just by knowing that you exist makes a difference. Also greetings to Peter Teylor from UK, good to see you are still here . Please contact me if you plan to come to Edinburgh I would like to meet you for a coffe. xxngx@hotmail.com Thanks
:-) :-)
uk - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 8:39 pm
has taken up a lot more space
- Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 8:47 pm
Categorical evidence KLA decapitated Serb victimsWhile del Ponte, who laughed in the face of the man indicted for fighting this terror, repeatedly claims there is no evidence of KLA atrocities!
MP: I have every sympathy with the anger you have expressed and I believe you have made some telling contributions to this forum in its attempt to expose this Show Trial for what it is: Nato’s attempt to hide the truth and blame its own crimes on the Serbian victims of unwarranted KLA terror. This blatant ongoing injustice is enough to make even an iceman’s blood boil.
Incidentally the people who run this forum shine like a beacon in a world otherwise full of darkness. They are the true guardians of what little justice there is and an example to many of a fine civilising tradition: may they prevail and prosper.
Blair was the principal advocate of support for these hideous criminals known as the KLA and history will not forgive him. In providing the airforce to enable these atrocities he and his fellow Nato war criminals committed atrocities of equal wickedness in ordering the deployment cluster-bombs over civilians areas. This is the measure of Blair’s oft self-proclaimed humanity: a man who befriends those who collect Serb heads in bags for sport. The media hacks, who have done so much to hide the truth, have little to fear: their readers would not accept these horrendous truths even as fiction.
Is there no one with integrity and power in the Western establishments prepared to bust this thing wide open: No senior Judges: No senior Archbishops: No senior Generals: No Prime Ministers or Presidents: No Vice Chancellors: No media magnates … ?
In the article referenced by the URL given in the title above del Ponte has the names of at least five of the victims of these horrendous crimes and the names of some of the KLA perpetrators. Del Ponte also knows the structure of the KLA and its leaders who have been accused of murder by her own protected witness K6. The details are given in court transcripts.
Nato has installed this criminal gang of thugs as the police force for Kosovo. Is anyone now surprised that Kosovo’s minorities have been slaughtered by the thousand - including women and children - and no one has been brought to account for these continuing atrocities.
For the sake of humanity it is surely necessary to bring the leaders of the KLA and its many junior rank thugs to account in a properly constituted court of justice!
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 8:50 pm
A German member of parliament caused a political furor, expected to increase in coming days, for a speech in which he played down the Holocaust and described Jews as a "race of perpetrators"...The head of Germany's Jewish community, Paul Spiegel, fiercely attacked Hohmann calling his speech "political disgrace and "a reach into the lowest drawer of disgusting anti-Semitism".
- Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 8:51 pm
MP Panama
If you didn't care about injustice you'd never have been on this forum for so long in the first place! Stick around, the battle is far from over.
And don't worry too much about the language, I only speak pidgin (pigeon? pidgeon? )English anyway. Other dialects are just as acceptable as long as they are not directed at any of the participants LOL
NO PASARAN!
David
Oztralia - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 9:03 pm
The Hyenas want the WHOLE of Bosnia to themselves. A "guilty" verdict would formalise the establishment of Republika Srpska as an illegal entity created THROUGH GENOCIDE! That means it will need to be abolished. Seems like the Berlin Conference of the 19th century regarding Bosnia is being recycled into a "Hague Conference" in the 21st century.
The reparations Serbia will pay will ensure that is under the thumb for quite some time and will take DECADES to recover and become a problem of an independent course policy for the Empire.
So much for democracy and freedom George W has been fighting for! He's got Kosovo stitched up, Republika Srpska is next. Whether Vojvodina is added to the list remains to be seen.
Whatever the case, the LAST of the prominent NON-aligned, independent people will get it in the gut and will become mincemeat for the Empire!
Hail Ronald McDonald!
David
Oztralia - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 10:06 pm
Ana, e bas si usrala motku.
uz duzno
postovanje - Tuesday November 04, 2003 at 10:26 pm
mastery of Serbo-Croatian should be a sine qua non of knowledgeable participation in debate on SM and the trial
- Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 4:57 am
To your information: Representatives of the International Committee for the Defense of Slobodan Milosevic will give a pressconference at The Hague on Friday, November 7 at 12.30 at the International Press center "Perscentrum Nieuwspoort", Lange Poten 10. Public Transport from The Hague Central Station: Tram 3 or 7 stop Spuistraat; Tram 2 or 6 stop Grote Markt
Zorica P
Germany - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 5:41 am
I still stand by my oppinion. as stated above, I agree with most of the Milan P frustration. But If you do want to expres yourself do it without foul language. Lets NOT give Jurist a reason to shut this dicussion because of unchanneled anger. I still stand by my opinion. As stated above, I agree with most of the Milan P frustration. But If you do want to express yourself do it without foul language. Lets NOT give Jurist a reason to shut this discussion because of un channeled anger. As for a bit of Serbian above - i ja tebi sunce ti kalaisano.
Dakic Ana
Serbian - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 5:53 am
Ana, what is your "expression without foul language" - What does it mean "i ja tebi sunce ti kalaisano", and which post does it relate to?
r. t.
Germany - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 6:44 am
Fowl language I have no right to use ( no as bad as F... word). This is to show that we can all use it but should try not to. I am not ging to visit this subject again an also I can take this personaly like MP and stop visiting this site like many other did: Pera Bora, Yary, Andy, Vera - so seldom now. Let Ritas and 1 2 take over.
Dakic Ana
Serbia - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 6:54 am
So if Slobo is guilty as charged because he allegedly "failed to stop the war", then how guilty must the West be in failing to PREVENT the war!!!Who kicked off the whole rot by prematurely ENCOURAGING secession and providing recognition without due political discussion and peaceful settlement attempts GEFORE the fighting?
Who encouraged and forced the overthrow of the Cutilleiro Plan which was originally a peaceful solution agreed to by all three parties in Bosnia?
Let's see some of those mothers in the Hague too if we're going to blame Slobo for "failing to stop the war"!!
If Slobo could have stopped the Bosnian Serbs, why didn't the rest of the World stop the Muslims and the Croats? They had much more power and influence over the Croats and Muslims than Slobo ever dreamed of having over the Bosnian Serbs.
So in summary, Slobo was supposed to cut off the Bosnian Serbs while the "West" and the Muslim world kept supplying and encouraging the Muslims and Croats?
Slobo's crime is that he wasn't kissing butt as ardently as he was required to do, and that ladies and gentlemen is a capital offence nowadays!
I guess just doing it is not enough as far as Mr Owen is concerned, you have to put real feeling into it!
David
Oztralia - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 7:07 am
And while you think about that folks, think about how the US govt can order its lawyers NOT to act for any of the accused at the Hague when it suits them, but how it did NOTHING to stop US companies from Virginia run by retired US generals (CIA contractors) from participating in the Croatian, Bosnian and Kosovo wars.So the US can support, politically, materially and militarily, the fascists and the mujahideen across the world but Slobo cannot support his own brethren in his own home and neighbourhood.
Pure slime and hypocrisy! That's why we'll never see any of the senior Croat fascists, Bosnian mujahideen or KLA cut-throats at the Hague. Can't have them singing like canaries can we?
David
Oztralia - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 10:20 am
David,but it's not only that the U.S. gov't disallows lawyers who're U.S. nationals from acting for ICTY defendants, it's that it does this while the U.S. gov't, U.S. corporations and U.S. "N"GO's fund the ICTY in contravention of the latter's own charter, which is hypocrisy in its purest form, but it's also a giveaway. How would we react if lawyers who were U.S. nationals were barred from acting for U.S. defendants in U.S. gov't-funded U.S. district courts? It's just another scandalous judicial anomaly, of the kind you can read more about here.
ivko,
er, thanks. You sure know how to woo a girl.
P WP
Bas Canada - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 11:57 am
Excuses, excuses …Faced with the recently published evidence of KLA appalling war crimes del Ponte trots out one of her dishonest smoke screen formulaic excuses for her prevarication:
VIENNA -- Tuesday - Witnesses to war crimes in Kosovo are often too afraid to testify, the chief prosecutor at the United Nations tribunal in The Hague warned today. Carla del Ponte said that the tribunal prosecution had experienced problems collecting evidence against Kosovo Albanians because witnesses are being threatened.
For the most recent atriocity brought to her attention no further witnesses are necessary. The photographs identify the criminals, the victims - abducted Serb soldiers - and the crimes. For the crimes of the KLA leadership prosecution protected witness K6 has testified to their policy of murder - which some have even boasted about - in order to gain international sympathy for the victims of legitimate Serb counter insurgency measures. Faik Jashari and Bujar Bukoshi are two other brave witnesses whose testimony is conveniently ignored by del Ponte.
And promises, promises …
The prosecutor said that the trial of a Kosovo Albanian would begin next year, while another three indictments have been prepared and two more investigations are underway. Beta News Agency, Belgrade, November 4, 2003
that never materialise.
When will the British people in particular acknowledge the folly of warmonger cluster-bomber Blair. Toadying to Clinton he lied to the British people about atrocities in Kosovo that never were and supported al-Qaeda backed Islamic terror there. Toadying to Bush he invaded Iraq on false pretexts of WMD with his two dodgy dossiers.
What good came of his adventures: In Kosovo he and the buddies he cajoled into criminal action have created an enormous human tragedy which will also lead to years of instability in the region. In Iraq along with Bush and the neocons he has created al-Qaeda terror where non existed.
Meanwhile back at the ranch plans to pitch tents in hospital car parks are mooted for want of the 5 to 10 billion GBP’s he has wasted on promoting the greater glorification of the Right Honourable Anthony Blair, World Leader: God Almighty!
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 12:11 pm
Prosecutors lacking key documents (read: case) in Milosevic trial| 18:00 | B92
THE HAGUE -- Wednesday - The prosecution at the war crimes tribunal in The Hague said today it lacked key documents in its case against Slobodan Milosevic because the authorities in Belgrade have refused access to certain archives.
A spokeswoman for chief prosecutor Carla del Ponte said the documents concerned the wars in Croatia and Bosnia. Florence Hartmann said she believed Belgrade was concerned the documents could be used by Croatia and Bosnia in their case against Yugoslavia in the international court in The Hague.
Hartmann said the tribunal prosecution expected Belgrade to begin prosecuting those responsible for the murder of Kosovo Albanians found buried in mass graves in Serbia.
Prosecution getting in damage control mode!!!
Peter Varavejke
Belgium - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 1:03 pm
Scott Taylor's latest book: Spinning on the axis of evil is now in print and may be ordered directly from Esprit de Corp, by calling 1-800-361-2791.Scott has written extensively about earlier conflicts in Yugoslavia, and is no doubt well known by some here. All of his books are well worth reading.
Ian Davis
Waterloo
Ontario - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 1:54 pm
I would also highly recommend new book by Diana Johnstone “Fool’s crusade - Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusions” (available via Amazon.com) This is from a review written by Edward S. Herman: ”Diana Johnstone has written a “must” book for progressives and anybody who wants to cut through the remarkable structure of disinformation regarding Kosovo … (it) will be an eye opener for many. “
vesa v.
france - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 3:30 pm
Robert Hessen has made one good point here, that Serbs never had a strategy for solving the situation, that applies even today on Republika Srpska and Kosovo.
Serbs simply don't have the strategy to oppose Muslims and Americans in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Pantelija Damjanovic
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 3:39 pm
The Hague tribunal is wondering now if those photographs of Serbs decapitated by Albanians are authentic, I don't remember them ever wondering the same about Trnopolje or hundreds of other images from Bosnia.
Pantelija Damjanovic
Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 3:52 pm
P WP,
In and out and one and the same thing forever.
Friday October 31, 2003 at 9:42 am
Gave me an idea which I gave up.
Still, I went too far. I am ashamed. But glad you are still with us.
P WP, I AM SORRY
ivko rig
dirty mouth - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 3:52 pm
Or Racak
Dakic Ana
Serbia - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 4:34 pm
Summary of Lord Owen's Testimony On November 3 & 4.http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg110403.htm
Vera,
Thanks for the info about B-92 TV, and their story about why they weren't broadcasting the Trial. I don't know what sort of equipment that they had that could break down. All they need is a satellite dish. As far as I know EuTel Sat is beaming the "trial" right into Belgrade, and nothing is stopping anybody from rebroadcasting that feed.
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 5:59 pm
Invitation to the Press conference at Perscentrum Nieuwspoort, (Frits van Poelzaal), Lange Poten 10, 2511 CL Den Haagon Friday, November 7, 2003, 12:30 hrs.
to meet the organisers of two rallies to be held in The Hague the next day, Saturday, November 8, 2003, at the "Plein" at 14:00 hrs. and in front of Scheveningen prison at 16:00 hrs.
Serbian and other Yugoslav people from the diaspora and from home together with international activists from Europe and North America will call for the immediate release of President Milosevic and an adjournment of the trial against him for at least two years and for the abolition of the ICTY, "as it is a criminal tool against Yugoslavia and Serbian people and an insult to law and justice."
A similar demonstration was organized in The Hague on June 28, 2003, gathering people from 16 countries.
WE WILL NOT ALLOW THE NATO AGGRESSORS TO WRITE OUR HISTORY
will be the main slogan of the demonstrators, who will march from the Plein to Scheveningen Prison.
A petition will be handed to the Embassies of France, China, Russia, United Kingdom and the USA recalling the responsibility of the permanent members of the UN security council "to dismiss this malignant and failed attempt to create an ad hoc court, which was done on a purely political basis."
The main speakers at the demonstrations will be representatives from the Serbian Community in several European countries, from the Serbian human rights organisation supporting Slobodan Milosevic "SLOBODA / Freedom Association" and from the International Committee for the Defence of Slobodan Milosevic (ICDSM).
They are : MISHA GAVRILOVICH (UK); WIL VAN DER KLIFT (Netherlands), Professor KOSTAS ALYSSANDRAKIS (Member of European Parliament, Greece), KLAUS HARTMANN (Germany); FULVIO GRIMALDI (Italy); DR. LJILJANA VERNER (Germany); JOHN CATALINOTTO (USA); MILUTIN MRKONJIC (Serbia); LOUIS DALMAS (France); VLADIMIR KRSLJANIN (Serbia); IAN JOHNSON (UK); DR SIMA MRAOVIC (France); JOHN JEFFERIES (Ireland); MICHEL COLLON (Belgium);
Please visit our web sites:
http://www.sloboda.org.yu7
http://www.icdsm.org/
http://www.free-slobo.de/
http://www.icdsm-us.org/
http://www.icdsmireland.org/
http://www.wpc-in.org/
http://www.geocities.com/b_antinato/
Serbian/International Organizing Committee
media contact: Klaus von Raussendorff (German Section of ICDSM)
Tel.: +49 228-346850; Email: raussendorff@web.de
Please find the detailed instructions at: http://www.sloboda.org.yu/pomoc.htm
(relayed as received by)
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K - Wednesday November 05, 2003 at 7:08 pm
The demonstrators are right! The ICTY is ALL about rewriting history to suit. It's all about how the NOBLE "West" prevented another Holocaust about to be perpetrated by the evil Serbs.
Slobo and the Serb leadership are just the patsies they need to cover their REAL objective in the Balkans.
And that scenario tells us all about how FAIR the Hague show is!
David
Oztralia - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 2:54 am
Well, well... Carla del Ponte is trying to rescue her and the Hague's credibility!
According to B92, Carla wants to join the Pavkoviæ, Lazareviæa, Lukiæ and Djordjeviæ trials with those of Milutinoviæa, Sainoviæ and Ojdaniæ!
That will be the same trial for 7 individuals.
Sounds like she's keen to turn this into a NUREMBURG Mk2 to give the process greater credibility.
Does anyone still think the Hague is NOT an attempt to "collectively" condemn "fascist" Serbia? The legacy will taint generations and generations of Serbs if she succeeds!
David
Oztralia - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 3:07 am
I've got to hand it to this young Malic fellow. I have yet to read an article of his where he hasn't been spot on!
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/m-col.html
David
Oztralia - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 3:23 am
I swear I'm not a PR guy for this fellow but this one is a...
MUST MUST MUST read...
for all those who walk in their sleep:
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/m092602.html
David
Oztralia - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 4:01 am
What a gem of an article on the Hague Inquisition!
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/m090502.html
David
Oztralia - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 9:43 am
Peter Taylor Carla said that these were the last indictments Lukic etc. She didnt say that there were no more sealed indictments to be unveiled.For the record I dont trust Del Monte so who knows? We still wait for Albanian leaders to receive justice.
Mr Rig I dont think that you are the Judge Judy of Jurist but by all means comment is welcome. Accusations about my motives and sexual / foul language is not.
B Brisk
UK - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 11:27 am
The people who are organizing that protest in scheveningen couldn't have picked better timing for it. They obviously know othing about the importance of football.
At the same time the protest is scheduled there is a football darby in Belgrade: Red Star vs. Partizan. They will be lucky if 20 people show up on that protest.
Pantelija Damjanovic
BH - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 11:49 am
Mr BriefUnless my grasp of English is slipping beyond reason in my dotage the following comments seem unambiguous:
"The indictment we have raised against four Yugoslav Army and Serbian Interior Ministry generals is the last one pertaining to police and the army. Where criminal responsibility of military and police forces for crimes committed in Kosovo is concerned, we have completed our work," Hartmann said. Source: SRNA News Agency, Bijeljina October 23, 2003
However we agree on one point: all the evidence is that Carla del Ponte is not to be trusted especially over her oft repeated false promises to bring to account the leaders of the KLA ‘Right to the Top’.
Incidentally (:- as I imagine she reads avidly our comments about her partiality :-) here is another source of evidence of KLA crimes that del Ponte often bemoans she does not have: "Albanian Terrorism and Organised Crime in Kosovo-Metohija."
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 2:15 pm
A legal question since this is a legal site: If Kosovo or all the wars which Nato was involved in are illegal & involved genocide then all cabinet level politicans in Nato countries at the times are criminals guilty of mass murder. Under the UN charter whose signatories include all Nato countries there is an absolute duty on everybody to bring war criminals to justice overiding an claimed national law. Consequently there appears to be an absolute duty on all law officers & members of the judiciary (presuamably including those at Pittsberg U) to do everything in there power to bring these murderers to justice. Does this mean that any western judge who does not publically call for the trial of our genocidal leaders is guilty of the war crime of being part of a joint criminal enterprise?
Neil Craig
Glasgow
UK - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 3:02 pm
David Harland at the "tribunal" yesterday:http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg110603.htm
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 3:19 pm
Pantelija Damjanovic,Have you ever held public office in Republika Srpska?
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 4:48 pm
"The characteristic feature of this period is the final partition of the globe--not in the sense that a new partition is impossible...but in the sense that the colonial policy of the capitalist countries has completed the seizure of unoccupied territories on our planet. For the first time, the world is completely shared out, so that in the future only re-division is possible."
V. I. Lenin
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 5:03 pm
"It's very simple. If you don't ask questions as you're ordered to by this Court, then you will not be allowed to ask questions."
Richard May
October 30, 2003 - Transcript: Page 28330, Line 20
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 7:56 pm
Dear Mr. Trkla, Thank you for writing about our coverage of the Milosevic trial. Our world/nation editor advises that files move on the wire about the trial and that if something of import happens, he tries to get them in. But for the longest time, he says, the trial was stalled by procedural bickering and incremental testimony. He has asked me to thank you for alerting him to keep a closer watch on the trial, which he will happily endeavour to get in our news pages when events warrant. Patricia Graham Editor-in-Chief The Vancouver Sun I must have written ten letters to the Media in BC and this is the first reply.
Walter Trkla
Kamloops BC
Canada - Thursday November 06, 2003 at 8:24 pm
Mr. Srdja Trifkovic expressed his view about Lord Owen in a recent article. Here is an excerpt:Owen's application of lies and double standards was worthy of a Holbrooke. The Serbs were to be punished if they violated the Muslim "safe areas," Owen said, but the Muslims were not expected to demilitarise them. The Krajina Serbs were lectured by an adamant Owen that they had to sumbmit to Croatia's rule, but he gave ample comfort to Albanian separatists in Kosovo: they are ready to wait until they can join up with Albania, he said, and we could never interest the Albanians in any solution based on autonomy. Owen never even tried. He knew that Tudjman maintained regular Croatian troops in Bosnia, but kept quiet. He knew that Izetbegovic had ordered various bomb-stunts against his own people (eg. the "bread- line massacre" of May 1992, or the Markale market massacre of February 1994) in order to gain Western sympathy and support, but again he kept quiet. He knew that Muslim snipers were killing UN soldiers, clearly marked by their blue berets, hoping that the Serbs would be blamed-and again he kept quiet.
Lord David Owen's testimony at Milosevic's trial aptly illustrates how "the International Community" can play the prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner, with impunity. Milosevic will be found guilty and sentenced, of course. In a court of impartial justice a mendacious "mediator" who betrays impartiality in favor of a personal agenda should be considered more culpable that the leader of a warring party who refuses to submit to a skewered Diktat. That Milosevic deserves to languish in jail there can be but little doubt; but to that end Carla Del Ponte's is the wrong indictment, The Hague the wrong court, and David Owen the wrong witness.
D. Jovanovic, physicist
USA
