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Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic is on trial for war crimes in the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia at The Hague. This marks the first time a head of state has been personally prosecuted before an international criminal court.
Is Slobodan Milosevic getting a fair trial?
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- Monday September 22, 2003 at 3:43 am
And while on the subject of puking...Rita Weinberg
You win another cigar, luv! [Some people should just stick to doing what they do best :-( ] Yuk!
David
Oztralia - Monday September 22, 2003 at 6:43 am
It’s good to be able to finally access this page again. Since there’s a lull in the proceedings, here’s a translation of a recent short article from POLITIKA, quoting our BETA news agency and the AP:[start quote] Mosul, 13 September (BETA - AP) The American Commander who led the action in which the sons of the deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein were killed two months ago said that Hussein will be given the opportunity to surrender, but he added that personally he would prefer him not to be caught alive. “It will be his choice”, said Colonel Joe Anderson, the Commander of the Second Brigade of 101st Airborne Division in Mosul. He said that the American soldiers would have no doubts whether to shoot “if he is with 14 bodyguards, as we believe, and if they open fire at our soldiers”. “He will be always given an opportunity to surrender”, said Anderson, adding that “personally, I believe the world would be better off if he were dead”. Anderson said that he could see no need for a trial against Hussein, because “there is no need for him to parade”. “What’s good about the Slobodan Milosevic trial? It’s a circus. What is being proven in the end? I believe that nobody in the world has any doubts about what that man did”, said Anderson. [end quote]
The good Colonel has neatly blurted out what his bosses believe: that, alas, some in the world do have doubts about what Milosevic “did” (otherwise, why bother noticing the parading at all?), that the Prosecution has made a circus out of the case because nothing is being proven and that the “judge” has made a circus out of the proceedings by letting the Accused parade instead of sabotaging him more vigorously, now that he’s left so inconveniently alive. They regret bitterly for not having killed the Accused, which would prevent him from being such a nuisance, even half-muzzled at this mock “trial” and without proper media coverage. I’m sure the fair and efficient Colonel Joe would have given him an opportunity to surrender, before shooting him in his bedroom like a dog. Too bad the only US troops present at that time in Belgrade were high-flying pilots in bombers, safely pushing the buttons of their barbarous little video-games. The brave hit man Joe was sorely missed on the ground.
Somebody spoke of the military as merely discharging their duty. I disagree: they think the same way as the politicos who dictate what this duty is to be. The military consists of people, not of robots; and if they disagreed with what their bosses “believe”, they would have a problem to execute their duty. They might even want to quit. So, I conclude they share the same beliefs. And in this case these beliefs are tantamount to mob hits against presidents of sovereign countries. Quod erat demonstrandum by Colonel Joe here.
Vera Martinovic
Belgrade
Yugoslavia - Monday September 22, 2003 at 7:49 am
" Be sure that what I say is not to exculpate myself and to intone 'mea culpa' for having participated in it, because I will never be able to forget that what was being committed there was one the biggest savageries of history"
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La - Monday September 22, 2003 at 9:52 am
Mr. Pasic,I wouldn't worry about the tax payers money being wasted. The cost will most likely by underwritten via the ususal NGOs and foreign aid grants. It will be a small price for the West to pay to keep it's preferred marionettes in power. Expect more 'aid money' to be forthcoming.
What is often not highlighted is the millions of euros that are disbursed via various 'democracy funds/initiatives' each year that are used to subsidise uneconomic media outlets that parrot western political, social and economic mores throughout central and eastern europe, the fear being that those wild and crazy easterners might revert to medieval barbarity if denied their daily dose of 'democracy'. Here in the 'free west', the media has become much more defragmented and is within the hands of few 'media barons', of which one is a Prime Minister of a certain mediterranean country... More interior decoration programmes I say!
Last point, but I think relevant to the Clinton visit to Sreb, there is a deafening media silence on Clinton's highly moral policy of doing nothing whilst anything from 500,000 to 1 million tutsis were systematically slaughtered in the former Congo. Supporters of 'humanitarian intervention' seem remain rather quiet on this point. Well, I suppose those tutsis weren't strategically important - no oil, too far away and no great importer of US, let alone global, goods... If that is not obscene then what is?
Alexei Gorbulski
Brussels
Belgium - Monday September 22, 2003 at 10:22 am
"KRIG ER NOGET LORT!""I keep reminding myself (of the reason) why NATO carries out these air strikes," the Danish Prime Minister, Poul Nyrup Rasmussen said towards the end of the 78-day long NATO air war on Serbia.
And Rasmussen went on: "Obviously the main purpose of the "air-campaign" is that: We need to prepare the ground for the return of the Kosovar Albanian refugees to their homeland.
Nothing more - nothing less than that!
Constantly I reconsider this question of why we are there (in the Balkans) - and I recall the answer: The refugees must be certain of a safe return...
...It is all about securing that these innocent people must be able to keep faith in us - and basically that we remain confident in ourselves. If NATO and Denmark fails in this, then Denmark would be deserting all for which we stand. Our credibility as a combatant for humanism is at stake - that is why it is so vitally important that we participate (in this action)...
...Today let me stress once again the message to Milosevic: You can be absolutely certain, that NATO will stick together in pursuance of the goals, that we have set for ourselves...
...In spite of any voices of dissent in the individual NATO member countries no one will succeed in breaking up the Alliance. We have decided to stick together...
...I cannot imagine at all, that we should withdraw before reaching our goals...
...(as) all of us who take the difficult decisions in the NATO-countries, do remember or have read about how Chamberlain in 1938...spoke of "peace in our time". We do know as well as Milosevic knows, that we remember this...," Rasmussen said in an interview in the Danish daily "JyllandsPosten" on 23 May, 1999 (My translation).
Woolly Rasmussen no longer is a prime minister. But I remember also a somewhat briefer, more lucid comment by the Danish F16-fighter pilot on his final return to the air base in Aalborg, - mission completed:
"Krig er noget lort," he said.
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K - Monday September 22, 2003 at 11:28 am
From the press office of the Hague Tribunal:The Hague, 22 September 2003 P.I.S./PA129
MILOSEVIC TRIAL:
HEARINGS CANCELLED FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS WEEK
Please be advised that the hearings in the Milosevic trial have been cancelled for the remainder of this week (Tuesday 23 to Friday 26 September 2003) due to the ill health of the accused.
///END REPORT///Vera,
It is nice to see you here again. Hopefully the moderator will keep this page in a manageable length in the future.
I agree that they regret not having killed Milosevic. However, I wouldn't rule that out. They may well kill him yet. They could kill him now and just say that he had a heart attack.
They could expose him to some sort of "Directed Energy Weapon (DEW)," such as a microwave radiation emitter, which could induce a heart attack. According to the U.S. Army exposure to DEW will produce physical and psychological effects on humans, such as warmth, pain, erratic heartbeat and blood pressure, nose bleed, disorientation, headaches, fatigue, weakness, and dizziness.
http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/7-10/appk.htm
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States - Monday September 22, 2003 at 11:37 am
Mr Gorbulski I do worry about wasted money. The money for elections is not money citizens have to waste. And Im sad say I dont think money for elections comes from Soros or somebody.I also probably read some (uneconmical) media that receives money from West. It helps get the complete picture or DOS government would have control of all media. Maybe in the beggining it was about 'aid' coming to 'free' media to support DOS but now those media are more critical than state ones. So I am happy for the choice.
And I dont mind aid coming so much. It is the conditions of aid that I dont like.
Vera that is interesting opinion on army officers. In principal you are correct but in practice how many officers refuse direct order whatever side they fight for? Its only in the movies.
Arandjel Pasic
srb - Monday September 22, 2003 at 12:45 pm
the New York Times today:
"Judges at War Crimes Trial Rein in Milosevic"
The writer, Marlise Simons, reports that Milosevic:
"loudly told the three judges"
"his face crumpled in anger"
that the trial is delayed in part because of"...failing health and stalling tactics"
"He insists on equal time with prosecutors and keeps talking, even when...no relevant questions left..."
His health has caused a "scheduling ordeal"
Geoffrey Nice"... says that his illnesses follow difficult evidence...
Milosevic refuses "to cooperate with any mental health specialists."
and the 'report' concludes that "A warning was implicit that he could not use his defense case as a political forum or to hold the court captive."Meanwhile on the op-ed page:
William Safire writes:
"I admired Nato Commander Clark's military aggressiveness when the Serbs were slaughtering civilians in Kosovo."
Nikole J
Canada - Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:06 pm
Another interesting point in the news of the last few days. Clinton goes to Kosovo and gently urges the ethnic Albanian population to forego revenge and live nicely with their neighbours (the few minority individuals who haven't been killed or chased out). The same day we read of the problem of blood feuds among the majority population in Kosovo. Does anybody, I mean anybody who writes this stuff ask themselves what is going on here? At least under Milosevic there was hope of a democracy in action. What are they building on now in Kosovo? The place is worse than ever and the 'peacekeepers' want to pull out.Sorry if I am not posting exactly on topic here. It's too bad that we have to worry about lengthening the forum to the point that it will be impossible to download.
Nikole J
Canada - Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:18 pm
Thanks Gogol for the URL to edition 30 of Articulo 20The quote below is from its report of statements by one of the Spanish pilots of the squadron that refused to attack civilian targets with cluster bombs.
The suspicions that NATO's repeated bombings of civilian victims and non-military targets are not the result of war "errors", are confirmed by Captain Martin de la Hoz: "Several times our Colonel protested by NATO chiefs why they select targets which are not military targets. They threw him out with curses saying that we should know that the North Americans will lodge a complaint by the Spanish Army, once through Brussels and again by the Defence Minister.
But there is more, and I want to tell it to the whole world: once there was a coded order of the North American military that we should drop anti-personnel bombs over the localities of Prishtine and Nish. The colonel refused it altogether and, a couple of days later, the transfer order came. But what I say now is nothing compared to what I shall have to say when the time comes."
I had read before the comment that the Spanish Air Force refused orders to attack Nis with cluster bombs but not in such detail. So who did carry out this atrocity which the Spanish pilots courageously refused orders to commit: Was it Toady Blair’s RAF?
There appears to be an honesty unique to Spanish personnel: The Spanish forensic team sent to examine ‘the mass graves’ reported that there were no mass graves and expressed disgust at the propaganda which had claimed as much?
Surely there must be personnel from other Nato countries who also objected to being ordered to carry out war crimes or were equally disgusted by the lies which were told. Such people would be a rich source of evidence for Milosevic’s defence.
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK - Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:23 pm
Ho is the guy in picture?
GENERAL CLARK WORE BOSNIAN WAR CRIMINAL'S MILITARY CAP
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La- Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:25 pm
Sorry
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La- Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:33 pm
The picture of general criminal Clark (NATO) can be seen here wearing general Mladic Bosnian Serb cap . . .a friendly exchange!
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La- Monday September 22, 2003 at 2:47 pm
.....Then he asked his aide .-What's on my head? , scatology General Sir¡¡ was the answer ; I mean on not in you idiot . (Life is like a box of chocolates , you never know what are you gonna' get) F.GUMP .
M P
Rep of Panama- Monday September 22, 2003 at 3:12 pm
As you can see everything is very congenial, just between nice generals!
Gogol Charlemagne
Shangri-La- Monday September 22, 2003 at 4:46 pm
Mr. Pasic, I'm heartened by your guarded optimism. Maybe I need to work on mine.RE: fact stranger than fiction: Reserve pilots to refuse liquidations
& thank God for those that don't give up:
Jews and Arabs to 'break the ice' in joint polar trek
Just seen on Yahoo!News, a cunning mix of fact & fiction: Army Officer Details Srebrenica Massacres
Alexei Gerratt
Brussels
Belgium- Monday September 22, 2003 at 10:44 pm
As long as we are exhibiting pictures of Wesley Clark here I thought that I would post another one for everybody to Check outOn the photo (left to right): Hashim Thachi, Bernard Kouchner, Michael Jackson, Agim Ceku, and Wesley Clark
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 1:31 am
This may be something which warrants discussion:http://www.un.org/icty/milosevic/trialc/order-e/030917.htm
It appears to me that they are saying that they will limit who he can call in his defense and that they will limit how long he has to present his defense.
In otherwords it is an admission from the Hague Tribunal that it is their intention to deny him his right to fully present his defense.
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 4:24 am
Interesting to speculate why Clinton did not visit Belgrade, capital of the nation he liberated from that "Butcher of Balkan" Why would he miss the opportunity to bask in glory and adulation?
vesa v.
paris
france- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 8:36 am
Folks,don't get side-tracked by the silly stuff about "Will he run?" and "What has he done?"
(Wesley K. Clark, the liberal's war criminal...)
Matthias Gockel
Germany- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 9:15 am
Ha Ha our hero's cashflow has dried up! The result is that his two lawyers cannot pay 'researchers' to bribe officials to get access to archives anymore.Until they deliver questions to the great one he knows not what to do or ask. Watch as his performance goes downhill or watch the stalling tactics.
Enough to make you (him) sick? What a good idea. Dont believe me? Just tune in and watch.
Dig deep folks - your money goes straight to the pockets of corrupt government officials! But it will help discredit witnesses too. Big cheer for AW and JI for asking for dineros to be sent to the canteen fund. Cant think of better spoiling tactics.
A Artisian
holland- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 10:12 am
I have a question for those of you who feel legally inclined:what exactly does "cooperation" with the Hague "Tribunal" mean?
Are all UN member states obliged to transfer a person who is indicted by the "Tribunal"? Is this a piece of international law and as such beyond national law?
The other day I was arguing with someone who claimed that Milosevic's abduction to The Hague was not an extradition and therefore quite legal.
Matthias Gockel
Germany- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 12:46 pm
A. Artisian,Do you work for the Tribunal or are you associated with it somehow?
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 3:59 pm
Mr. Wilcoxson,I would venture a guess that this fellow Artisan is one of Croatian "neo-Ustashe" who always intrude into serious discussion groups to make mischief.
He should be ignored. That is the best medecine
D. Jovanovic
USA- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 6:30 pm
Cooperation with The Hague means : A.- Betray the dignity of a Nation. B.- sell your concience for 13 coins. C.- Turn your back to the victims of an aggression. D.- Vidkun Quisling
M P
Rep of Panama- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 7:23 pm
Drip, drip, drip …The administration of the poison of half truths and omissions continues apace: Today courtesy of Edward Stourton and BBC R4 at 8pm as he ‘examined the work of UN officials as they set out to prosecute alleged war criminals’ mainly in the Balkans.
His assembly of biased witnesses were exclusively non-Serbs and the victims also. They included Madame del Ponte boastfully pontificating yet again on how it was necessary for her to bring before the court the most senior people responsible for war crimes in the Balkans: especially Mladic and Karadic. The reason for this imperative she exclaims is because otherwise such people have impunity to carry on their evil deeds. Now this is exactly what the KLA leaders have been doing for the past four years - carrying on their evil deeds with impunity - while Madame del Ponte looks the other way. We’ll believe such hogwash when we see it in action: when del Ponte prosecutes the leaders of the KLA.
Next up George Bush: Did you hear all that distracting verbiage today at the UN about him bringing to justice those who engage in sex traffic. The KLA, now virtual rulers of Kosovo the most corrupt state in Europe, have used such trade along with drugs over the years as a major source of income to fund their reign of terror. In spite of all the fine words the Bush administration continues to support this despicable group, as did the previous US administration.
Words come cheap: the wise judge men and women by their actions.
Peter Taylor
Herts/UK- Tuesday September 23, 2003 at 11:37 pm
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USA- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 1:38 am
The noble "judges" of The (Star)Chamber are giving Milosevic 3 months to prepare his defence. Three months is considered "reasonable" allegedly because all the other accused persons get the same three months and Milosevic cannot be given any "special" privileges beyond what other accused persons get. Sounds fine in principle, doesn't it?Except when you look at the facts!
How many other accused persons face the same number of charges?
How many other accused persons face charges re Bosnia, Croatia AND Kosovo?
How many other accused persons face 200+ witnesses for the "prosecution".
How many other accused persons face charges as Head of State and the nebulous range of responsibility for EVERYTHING that is ascribed to the Serbs?
How many other accused persons have the handicap of being denied CONSULTATION with friends or associates like Milosevic has had?
How many other accused persons have been denied visits by such associates for the purpose of preparing a defence case which the "Chamber" says the accused SHOULD have been preparing DURING the trial?
How many other accused persons have been buried in an avalanche of papers, documents and tapes served by the "prosecution" on Milosevic? And NOT at the beginning of the trial either!
Yeah, sure... three months is supposed to be sufficient to read all that stuff! An army of legal advisors couldn't go through it in the time allotted to Milosevic, let alone while they are enagaged in proceedings on a daily basis.
So far the triumvarate of "judges" has allowed the prosecution to call whatever witnesses it liked. It remains to be seen whether the same right will be afforded to Milosevic. It remains to be seen how many will be "unavailable" or "irrelevant" and how many will be protected from certain questions. Note that May has not once interfered with the Prosecution's questioning so it remains to be seen how far he'll go with the witnesses Milosevic calls.
All in all, sounds like a pretty "fair" lynching if you ask me.
Aren't there any legal scholars or associations left in this world with enough clout to protest against this public perversion of justice?
David
Oztralia- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 5:32 am
SLOBODA Assembly / Skupstina SLOBODASLOBODA will hold its Assembly Meeting on Saturday, September 27, 2003 in its premises in Belgrade, Rajiceva 16, commencing at 11:00 a.m. The Assembly is open to media.
As a way to take their own part in this event of national importance, we invite all friends and supporters at home and abroad to send:
- protest letters to UN bodies, the Hague tribunal and their own governments, demanding two years in freedom for President Milosevic;
- letters of support to President Milosevic;
- copies of your letters to us; solidarity messages are also welcome.
SLOBODA ce odrzati sednicu svoje Skupstine u subotu, 27. septembra 2003, u svojim prostorijama u Beogradu, ul. Rajiceva br. 16, sa pocetkom u 11 casova. Sednica Skupstine je otvorena za medije.
Kao nacin njihovog direktnog ucesca u ovom dogadjaju od nacionalnog znacaja, pozivamo sve prijatelje i pristalice u zemlji i inostranstvu da posalju:
- protestna pisma telima UN, haskom tribunalu i svojim vladama, zahtevajuci dve godine slobode za Predsednika Milosevica;
- pisma podrske Predsedniku Milosevicu;
- kopije svojih pisama nama; poruke solidarnosti su takodje dobrodosle.
(message relayed as received by)
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 6:58 am
Visit:http://www.sloboda.org.yu/
(SLOBODA/Freedom association)
http://www.icdsm.org/
(The international committee to defend Slobodan Milosevic)
http://www.free-slobo.de/
(German section of ICDSM)
http://www.icdsmireland.org/
(ICDSM Ireland)
http://www.wpc-in.org/
(World Peace Council)
http://www.geocities.com/b_antinato/
(Balkan antiNATO Center
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 8:55 am
Mr Milosevic was 'sick' again today?Was he 'sick' because he hadnt recieved instructions on how to question Ante Markovic?
3 months wont be long enough to him to prepare his case alone. But we know dont we Mr Wilcoxson that its not Mr Milosevic who prepares the case but his two lawyers? Our heroic lone figure at the tribunal is just an image for an ever dwindling audience.
The real question is will 3 months be long enough to raise funds for more bribing of DOS officials. And will the Serbian government decide now they bled him dry to release information to the prosecution to discredit Milosevic's witnesses. Poor guys you are such a gullible bunch at Jurist. Pity you are being used.
Mr Jovanovic I know you would like to believe I am ustase. Then it can make you ignore the truth I speak. One problem - I would not rest until every single ustase scum was brought to justice including Franjo Tudjman's corpse which should be placed alongside his best friend and cohort Milosevic. Oh shucks... I know what you think now, you are so predictable arent you? I would put Izetbegovic's rotting body next to them and Thaci's. They deserve each other. Confused oh now Im pro western arent I? No no you can put that sucker Clinton in there with the grizly murdering group and try him too.
Mr Wilcoxson lets just say Im connected. How they gonna plug this leak and what damage could it do? You want more info Mr Wilcoxson or do you already know?
A Artisian
holland- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 9:40 am
Mr. or Mrs. Artisian I can't speak for Mr. Jovanovic or anybody else but as far as I am concerned I don't give a flying f... if you are ushtasha , handzar or chetnik , but you are welcome to expose your poit of view whether I agree or not,and don't try to impress with a "mystery aura" , connected by enema or telephone ?
M P
Rep of Panama- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 11:20 am
A Artisian,Since you say that you are "connected," perhaps you could tell us who exactly you are connected to. What is the source of this "inside information" that you claim to have.
How would you be in a position to know what the financial state of Milosevic's associates is?
How would you be in a position know what President Milosevic's "real" medical condition is?
How would you be in a position to know whether or not Milosevic is getting documents by bribing DOS?
Please enlighten me, who are you connected to, and on what basis are you making these claims?
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 11:22 am
P.S.For that matter, how would you know whether or not President Milosevic is prepared to question Ante Markovic? Are you claiming to be privy to his communications with his associates?
Andy Wilcoxson
Washington, United States- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 1:27 pm
Dear friends,President Milosevic is in a life-threatening situation.
He suffers from malignant hypertension and his heart is damaged. He is in permanent risk of a heart attack or a brain-stroke.
His health and ability to stand the second half of the process without a serious risk cannot be recuperated in prison conditions.
He is deprived of health-care and of conditions to prepare his case.
The outrageous decision of the tribunal to give him only three months to prepare his case in prison and only six weeks to submit the complete list of his witnesses, together with the summaries of their statements and with the list of evidence he intends to introduce with them - only to be reviewed and eventually approved by the tribunal, definitively proves that the tribunal wants to silence the truth by depriving President Milosevic of minimum conditions to prepare his case and by increasing the threat to his life with an impossible task.
President Milosevic needs two years in freedom.
Please address your governments (the tribunal is formally a part of UN system), members of UN Security Council (the tribunal is formally a subsidiary organ of the Security Council), UN Secretary General, Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the World Health Organization, the International Committee of the Red Cross and the tribunal itself.
Protest against the crime and the injustices. Demand two years of freedom for President Milosevic.
Vladimir Krsljanin, Sloboda/ICDSM
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It is best if your letters are sent by fax or mail, or personally delivered (to your foreign ministries or to the offices of the international organizations). Please inform us and the public about your actions.
(message relayed as received by)
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 1:51 pm
Why would "A Artisian" be contemplating "spoiling tactics", - if he has no doubts about the justification for the ICTY case against mr. Milosevic?(Ref.: Posting September 23, 2003 at 9:15 am).
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 2:33 pm
I claim only to be connected. But its interesting to know how things are is it not?I would ask you Mr Wilcoxson if you are who you appear to be? If for example you knew who were Mr Milosevic's jail friends are would you tell Jurist visitors? What would Serbian victims of ethnic cleansing think?
Why did you tell people to contribute to Mr Milosevic's canteen fund to buy extra chocolate when you know as I do that his lawyers funds are drying up? Petty rivalry with IAC or something more sinister? You are the public figure not I.
As somebody connected, do you tell the complete truth to these people here? Or parts of it?
For the record Mr Milosevic is suffering from high blood pressure. That is true but its also true that an incomplete set of questions have been delivered to Mr Milosevic. Thus we wait.
Even an amateur can see that Mr Milosevic has access to superior infomation than the prosecution. I admit it levels the fight but this information must be paid for. Not exactly within the law. The information obtained in some cases is not as accurate as it should be. But police archive exaggeration was a feature of Communist and post Communist Yugoslavia. The new regime in Serbia is yet to decide if there is mileage in releasing its incriminating documents to the prosecution. Up until now Milosevic and certain members of DOS shared a common interest. Oh and its not just Serbian archives that Mr Milosevic's 'researchers' have access to.
Mr Markovic arrived in Holland some days ago. That should be public knowledge but the defense has known for some time that Markovic was on his way didnt they?
MP I thank you for your allowing me to contribute here. I didnt realise I needed your blessing to participate but anyway. You are welcome to dispute what I say but the style is my choice.
A Artisian
holland- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 4:03 pm
It is not a blessing it's a matter of openess to anybody who has an oppinion and it has to be respected no matter what , which doesn't look would've been the case if it was the other way around . welcome again . Q.- Do you think Milosevic is getting a fair trial?
M P
Republica de Panama- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 4:07 pm
Again: Why would this "Artisian" be even thinking about the use of "spoiling tactics" (and appear so thrilled at the thought of the defendants "cashflow drying in"), - if he were certain about the justification for (and the fairness of!) the ICTY case against mr. Milosevic?
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K- Wednesday September 24, 2003 at 7:23 pm
"Aren't there any legal scholars or associations (ready) to protest against this public perversion of justice?" David asks, - with reference to implications of the mere 3 month period granted for mr. Milosevic to prepare his defence case (September 24, 2003 at 1:38 am).Well, - I should think so! And I suggest that the Legal Committee of the ICDSM is first and foremost responsible for such legal action to be taken at the right time and in the most efficient way!
If action has not yet been taken, I would still be confident that this is a matter of decision by professional people.
We all have a share of reponsibility for securing a fair trial, - but each of us should contribute whatever we are best at doing. There is no point in making everybody intervene in whatever aspect of the trial, - but sound reasons for trusting those who know how to deal with the particulars.
I would assume that bodies like the newly formed US National Section of the ICDSM - which has been issuing already its protest against the ICTY's recent violations of the norms of international law and human rights, and which include attorneys and other specialists among its members - shall work in close cooperation with the leadership of the ICDSM on whatever further legal action to take.
If not so, then ICDSM should let us know...
Since I am no "legal scholar" I shall not bother to repeat the early notion that mr. Milosevic "has already won his case"; I would venture to suggest however, that at the end of the day it will not benefit the ICTY (or the ICC) to have been seen to deprive mr. Milosevic of the opportunity to defend himself on equal terms.
Godfred Louis-Jensen
Copenhagen
D E N M A R K - Monday September 22, 2003 at 1:25 pm
